honesty – Discipline & Punish http://blogs.elsweb.org/disciplinepunish Early American Crime Narratives Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:44:59 +0000 en-US hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.3.2 frost http://blogs.elsweb.org/disciplinepunish/frost-3/ Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:44:59 +0000 http://blogs.elsweb.org/disciplinepunish/2007/06/13/frost-3/ Continue reading ]]> Justification- Frost admits to killing two people in his narrative.  The first, his father, he says that he killed because “I ever thought my father had no affection for her, and used her ill; this induced me to kill him” (337).  It seems that Frost sees his father’s poor treatment of his mother as not only a reason for murdering him but as a valid justification.  The murder of Mr. Allen, however, has no justification or even real reason, other than he watches over Frost’s estate. 

 

Regret- We see absolutely no regret in Frost’s narrative for either murder he commits, and after his account of how the murder is committed there is no mention of his feelings about it or any sort of remorse.  He never mentions the death of his father again or any feelings he has about the crimes he’s committed.

 

Honesty-  Frost, like Mount, seems to be a very honest character, although while Mount’s narrative was honest, Frost seems both honest in his narrative4 and his life.  He states that he has a great aversion to both stealing and lies, and the later third person account of his life also states that he was an extremely honest man, refusing to plead not guilty even when instructed to.     

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mount http://blogs.elsweb.org/disciplinepunish/mount-3/ Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:58:19 +0000 http://blogs.elsweb.org/disciplinepunish/2007/06/13/mount-3/ Continue reading ]]> Accomplice- Thomas Mount, along with Herman Rozencrantz, seemed more than willing to sell out his friends for his own gain—a thing that even the most despicable criminals have been proud of avoiding.  He states that “I was found guilty but received no punishment by reason I promised to inform of all of those persons…and how the house was set on fire” (320).  He does this despite belonging to a close-knit group of thieves (with their own bizarre language) that in many way shapes his identity.  He even warns common people how they can discover thieves themselves and turn them in.

 

Honesty- After going through the mandatory warning to others and request for mercy, Thomas Mount “secondly” goes into what seems to be the most sincere and honest account that was have read about the criminal’s feelings about death and the afterlife.  He is perhaps the first one to admit that he doesn’t want to die and is afraid of what will happen to him when he does.  He also admits that he isn’t sure that he is reformed at all and might return to stealing if he had the chance. 

 

Harshness-  Mount echoes the sentiment of Mountain, who stated that he had been punished early enough to petty crimes it might have reformed him.  Mount similarly says: “the mercy of government in pardoning thieves is no mercy at all to them, for every pardon they get hardens them” (323).    

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frost http://blogs.elsweb.org/disciplinepunish/frost/ Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:51:02 +0000 http://blogs.elsweb.org/disciplinepunish/2007/06/11/frost/ Continue reading ]]> 1. retribution– “he thought it no great crime to kill such as he supposed treated him very ill-and did not appear to have a just conception of the heinous crime of murder.” frost’s concept of murder is very unlike a “normal” person’s sense of the crime. he felt that it was okay to kill someone if he thought they had done something wrong against him. his mentality is even more profound considering the way he organizes degrees of crime in his head: that dishonesty was far worse than murdering someone. it is completely opposite of how we think. this suggests that maybe our justice system has, by their decisions of what crimes are worse than others based on the type of punishment decided for each crime, has created the sense we have of why murder is worse than stealing or lying.

2. honesty– honesty, to frost, was very important. he felt that being dishonest was, in fact, what made someone a bad person. his murdering men was not wrong to him- however, if he were to lie about it, that would be the unjust act. “he had high notions of honesty, and appeared much offended when his honesty was suspected.” “he was told that he might plead not guilty, was urged so to do, and was remanded to prison, in order that he might consider of the plea he had made…he persisted in pleading guilty.”

3. death– this narrative shows how frost thought death to be an experience much like a sane person would think about jumping into a cold pool or getting a shot if they had never had one; curious of the feeling it produces. his interest in people dying is comparable to the interest readers had in these narratives. he wanted to see the unknown. he wanted an explanation for something the human mind could not fathom. “being asked why he thought so, he said he had been beating his head against the walls of the prison, in order to know how they felt whilst he was killing them.”

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